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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2007, 12:44:42 AM »

Woo Hoo!  Way to go Benjamin.  The first sale is sweet.

You learned two important things with that sale.  1.  There is demand for the product.  2.  You can sell the product.

I'm going to give you some suggestions.  First things first.  Go, right now, and pause your adwords account.  Don't even read the rest of this post first.  Just go do it.

Did you do it?  Good.  Now I'm going to show you a three pronged approach to making some money with adwords and your site.  The reason I say adwords is that I have no clue about the MSN product.

Markus has given you some valuable information about the long tail.  We'll use some of it here.

You very likely know what I'm going to say next, but it bears repeating.  Marketing in general, and ppc in particular, is a numbers game.  It takes x number of impressions before you get a click thru; it takes x click thrus before you get the visitor to the merchant site; it takes x visits to the merchant site before you get a sale.

Your goal with ppc is to get as many click thrus as possible for the least amount of money.  You would also like to know which keywords pay off.  It is also nice to know which ad produces the best.  And, on average, how many visitors to your merchant account will provide a sale.

That being said, I would much rather get 100 clicks at 5 cents each than 5 clicks at $1.00 each.

Ok, here we go.  Go back to your keyword research notes.  Look for phrases that get anywhere from 60 to 100 searches per month.  That will roughly equal two to three clicks per day.  Make you a list of each of those phrases.  If you can find 100 of them you'll have a good starting point.  If you don't have that many, then up the number of searches per month until you do have (roughly) 100 phrases. 

The important thing here is that you are not going to target the top keywords/phrases.  You are after the low hanging fruit.  Those terms that not a whole lot of others are bidding on are easier to get a high position for at a smaller bid price.

Now, break out your favorite html editor.  Open your index page.  Open a blank page and paste a copy of the index into it.  Change the title of the page to your first keyword.  Change the meta robots to read 'noindex' 'nofollow'.  No need to fool around with the description and keywords.  The SE's will never see this page.

In your content section, the first thing you should have is an h1 tag with the phrase near the beginning and some sales pitch.  Remember, the visitor clicked on a specific ad.  He needs to be reassured that he clicked on the right ad, so the keyword needs to be prominent.

Maybe something like this:
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<h1>The very best *keyword* to be found anywhere at any price.</h1>

Next are specific benefits related to that keyword.  Best, cheapest, strongest, etc.  This is just sales pitch stuff, but it is important.  The rest of the page can be exactly as you had your index.

Now, change your navigation links.  Ask Chet to show you the code that will take a visitor click from the 'ingredients' link on your site to the ingredients.php page on the CutRx site.  You will use your affiliate code plus a specific subid so your traffic will be credited to you.

This is important.  You will not link to this (or all of the others you make this way) page from anywhere else on your site.  The only visitors to this page will come from adwords.  You don't want someone to come in from one of the other pages and get all confused.  It'll also screw up your metrics.

Now, go into SizzleCash and set up a subid for this page.  For example:  GC1, where G=Google adwords, C=CutRx, 1=first keyword.  Now change your paylinks on the page you just made to have the correct subid and save the page as your keyword.html (or whatever).  As an example, the href might be like this:
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 /best-keyword-online.html
Upload the completed page to your webhost.

Now, go to your adwords account ant set up an ad group for CutRx.  You want to make four (4) ads for each keyword.  Select the ad variation tab and write the ads and have them displayed equally.

Try to have your full phrase as the headline.  Sometimes you can't because of the 25 character limit, but try to do it.  Failing getting it in the headline, be sure to get it in the body of the ad.

For two of the ads, have the headline be identical.  Use different compelling copy in the body of the ad.  For the next ad use the best sounding body copy from the first two, and write a different sounding headline.  For the last ad, get happy, crazy, different, off the wall, inventive.  But make it sound good.

The destination url will be the same for all four ads.  To the *keyword* page you made specifically for this keyword.

Think up some negative keywords for this phrase.  Like maybe free, sample, pictures, whatever you don't want to get clicks from.  In other words, separate out the non buyers with your negative words.

Set your bid price at 5 cents or lower if you can (I keep hearing about the elusive 3 cent adword bid) and save the ad.

Repeat with the other 99 pages and you are good to go.

After you get a hundred or so impressions for each ad (within a keyword) you should be starting to see a trend.  If one of the ads is under performing, then change it up.  Sometimes all it takes is a tiny change to an ad to make it a winner.  Sometimes it takes a complete re-write.

The adwords winners are not the ones with the biggest ad budgets.  The winners are the ones who continually test and improve their clickthru and effectiveness of the landing page(s). 

The importance of a well written ad cannot be overstated.  The best written ad will almost certainly out perform a less effective ad that is above yours.  Another way to say it is that having the first ad is not as important as having the best ad on the page.  (I personally like to be in the number 3-5 range on the first page, or very near the top of the second page of search results.)

After some time, you will have a better feel for just where your ad should be placed to maximize conversions.  Adjusting your bid price is required to keep your ad in the sweet spot.  Keep in mind that your chosen product is seasonal.  You will need to review and revise your bid plan when the season is about over.

Keep one eye on your stats at SizzleCash and the other on the stats at Adwords.  Adjust your bid prices and ads until you have the winner that you want.  After you have a little more experience with the entire process, make pages and subids for that rest of your keywords. 

Pay off the house and car, and take a long vacation.  You earned it.

Dink

P.S.  I hope Marcus doesn't charge me too much for publishing this ebook on his forum. Cheesy

edit:  cdc jumped in with some good thoughts while I was writing this monster post.  Here is my best advice.  Buy a really good book on ppc marketing.

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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2007, 05:30:02 AM »

nice post - if only you were getting paid by the word  Cheesy

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2007, 09:52:22 AM »

Markus, cdc, & Dink

What can I say but thank you for your help and awesome input!

Dink, I have paused my adwords campaign.  I did exactly like you said, didn't even finish reading the post first.   (Just send me the bill for the e-book)  Grin

Coming from a programming background, my marketing skills stink.  That is evident.  Plus, I may have rushed into the PPC part, especially since I did the least research in that area.  Looks like I paid to learn that I didn't have the right strategy yet.  Also, to add insult to injury, I found out this morning that MSN charged me $212 so far, even though my budget was set at $100.  I called and they told me that the $100 bonus is given once I have spent that same amount of money.  So, I had to spend $100 to get the bonus $100.  Unfortunately that was never mentioned and in my haste to get it started, I didn't research it either.  Lesson learned, read the fine print and nothing is truly free.  Wink

I am going to spend the rest of the week & weekend implementing the suggestions that were given and let's see how next week is different.  I know I can make this work, especially with all of your kind help.  I will keep you posted.

All the best,

Benjamin
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2007, 08:04:56 PM »

How about an update?
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2007, 12:23:49 AM »

This is an awesome thread - the only bit that I can add (of any value!) is that I would recommend Perry Marshalls adwords book

A weighty read but extremely useful

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2007, 02:37:49 PM »

Journal Update

I apologize for not giving any updates for a while.  Life has gotten in the way this week of my affiliate Marketing Journey.  However, I have made some progress (at least I feel like I have).

The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
First the good news.  Thanks to all of the wonderful advice I received and especially the in depth instructions from dink on my adwords campaign, I feel I am getting a much better return for my money.  Here are my most recent stats from Adwords:

67 clicks
1,238 Impressions
5.41% CTR
.14 Avg CPC
Total Cost $9.63

Now compare that to my miserable first attempt at a CPC campaign:

70 Clicks
8,013 Impressions
.87% CTR
.79 Avg CPC
Total Cost $55.50

Unfortunately, I have not completely finished tweaking the adwords campaign. Because of time restraints, I only have about 50 keywords working right now.

The most interesting data is that 1 keyword I have has received 65 of the clicks and 959 of the impressions.  I have 4 ads for that keyword running and 1 ad has a CTR of 12.71%, while the other three all have about 5% CTR. 

I think that kopking's suggestion of a good adwords book, along with the other suggestions I have received is probably in order for me to keep improving this campaign.

Now the bad news.  NO MORE SALES YET.  However, I do want to let everyone know that I have already received my $27.50 commission check from SizzleCash for my 1st and only sale so far.  I have been extremely impressed with the response from  Chet and SizzleCash. 

I don't have really any ugly news, which is good.  Cheesy

I just have had to work on another project this week and haven't had as much time to devote to my affiliate marketing adventure.  I am looking to wrap the project up this weekend and get back to the fun stuff next week.

Hosting Update
In my original post, I stated I signed up with Hostgator as an affiliate and signed up through my affiliate link to get $100 commission to help offset some of the hosting costs.  Well, I have not received credit for that signup and I am still waiting on a response from Hostgator as to their reason why I have not received credit.  I will keep you posted on the outcome of this ordeal.

Wishing you much success!

Benjamin


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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2007, 03:06:25 PM »

Journal Update - Food for thought

I decided to post my ads from the 1 keyword that I have gotten the most clicks from.  I thought this would be good content to generate some meaningful discussion/tips that might help all of us get better.  Hopefully we can all benefit from this, which is my goal.  I am leaving the keyword out, mainly because I don't think it really matters and also it might not be applicable to everyone's campaign.

Ad #1    Served 24.6%    Clicks = 30   Impressions = 236    CTR = 12.71%   Cost= $4.36
{Keyword}
We have the fastest way to {keyword}, period.
 

Ad #2    Served 23.5%    Clicks = 13   Impressions = 225    CTR = 5.77%   Cost= $1.78
{Keyword}
We have the no-nonsense answer for {keyword}
 

Ad #3    Served 25.0%    Clicks = 11   Impressions = 240    CTR = 4.58%   Cost= $1.65
{Keyword} - Be Gone
We have the fastest way to {keyword}, period.
 

Ad #4    Served 26.4%    Clicks = 11   Impressions = 253    CTR = 4.34%   Cost= $1.64
No More {Keyword}
Get rid of those unsightly {keyword} hanging over your pants!
 

Probably from the 4th ad, you can figure out what the keyword is.  However, that is not really the point.  What I hope we can discuss is why does the 1st ad seem to be much more effective than the others.  Is there a way to improve it?  Since the 1st & 2nd ads are identical except for the ad copy, what about the ad copy makes people respond with over twice the response rate.

Also, the 1st & 3rd ads have identical copy and url's, however the title is different.  But this is still generating a large percentage discrepancy in click thru rate. 

The 4th ad is just not related at all, but it still seems to be performing as well as the 2nd & 3rd ads.  Does that mean that any ad with the keyword in the title and url would be expected to have a 4-5% click thru rate?  Is this the base that we should work from to improve, or is this ad also a decent ad?

Anyway, I hope you will indulge me and let's dissect these ads together.  I look forward to hearing your opinions and suggestions.  I will implement them and we can see how they turn out.  I feel that would be a worthwhile contribution to us all.

All the best,

Benjamin


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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2007, 08:47:10 PM »

You have made some good progress Benjamin.
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67 clicks = $9.63
70 Clicks = $55.50
So, you got almost the same # of clicks for 20% of the cost.  That is good.

To really discuss the results of your ad campaign we need to know if the four ads you show are shown in the same place (like position 3.5, etc).  And, are you using 'exact matching', 'phrase matching', etc.

Here's a suggestion for you.  Take ads 2, 3, and 4 down.  Replace them with modifications to ad 1.  Leave the original ad unchanged.  On ad 2 change the display URL to {keyword}.com and don't change any of the copy.

On ad 3 and 4 add the word 'best' (or some sort of action word as long as it sounds right) in front of {Keyword} in the title.  Use the www display URL on one of them and the non www on the other.  Let them run for a while and analyze the results.

If you get a winner out of these tests, then remove the losers and make all four ads with the exact same headline and text, but have each go to a different landing page.  Leave the display URL alone.

Make subtle changes in your copy on the four landing pages.  Only make one change at a time or you won't know what's causing (whatever) results.  Wait a while and study the results again.  You should have some good data to work with by then.

Keep us posted.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2007, 10:01:14 AM »

Hey Dink,

Thanks to your suggestions, I have improved the effectiveness of the ad campaign tremendously.  I look forward to implementing your new suggestions and giving feedback. 

I wanted to say that I am using 'exact matching' or [] around the keyword and that the Avg. Position for the keyword is 2.5.  I looked at the individual ads and did not see anywhere that showed what the avg. position for each ad is.  Am I missing it somewhere or does Google not give the avg. position of each individual ad that is shown?  The only stat I saw indicating avg. position was for the keyword itself.

I am disappointed that I have not had any more conversions (as of right now I have 106 clicks and 0 conversions), which tells me that my landing page is not doing its job.  So, I am anxious to try your suggestion with 4 different landing pages once I have found the winning ad.     Wink

Thanks so much for your help and to everyone else that has contributed to my journey thus far!

All the best,

Benjamin

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2007, 10:16:32 AM »

You might also want to try putting the price in the ad. This will lower your CTR (which may increase your CPC) because alot of people just click to see what something costs.
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2007, 12:23:46 PM »

Yep.  I agree with that cdc. 

Right now we need to get him into a good conversion mode.  Then he can get all the other fine points ironed out.

Other things he could try with this product are:  Limited time offer, world-wide shipping, discreet packaging, and so on.

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Benjamin,

You should use all of the phrase match options.  Most searchers are dumber than a buried rock.  :-}

Position 2.5 is right up there.  Can you lower your bid prices any?  Might try for position 3-5 if you can.  If not just leave it be.

Don't get discouraged by your lack of sales.  The diet 'season'  is just getting warmed up.  So, you are getting some basic stuff done before the flood gates open (heh, we hope).  I'm sure you'll get some good data when you tweak your landing pages.

Keep it up.

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2007, 03:43:56 PM »

Tell us about those landing pages.

Have you got decent images?
Testimonials?

What kind of layout? (One column/two column/three column?)

How much copy?
A bit (50 words or less), some (51-100 words), or more than some (100+ words)

Have you tried a structured format in your copy of identifying with the reader,
providing some product benefit statements, then the closer with a call to action?

Are you using statements in your H tags and breaking up paragraphs or is all your copy
just a block of text?
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2007, 06:32:57 PM »

Landing Pages

Currently, I only have the 1 landing page and it is more like a mini-website.  I followed Dink's suggestion and basically comangod the look & feel of the   website.  I changed the header graphic and all of the links go to the actual   website for whatever they click on.  They are only on my landing page to find out the answer to whatever keyword ad they happened to click.

If you go to  , you will see the layout.  Basically, I would consider it a 3-column layout.  The far left column contains the site links (ie. FAQ, Privacy Policy, etc.), the far right column contains a large picture of a bottle of Cutrx with a big red button that says "Buy Online Now!".  Originally, I did not have any price information on the page, but I did add the price information above that button recently.  It says "1 Bottle - Reg. $49.99 On Sale - $29.99". 

The middle column is my copy.  I was going to describe it, but I decided I would just post an example.  That way we can dissect it and learn from my mistakes.  Basically, the only thing that I change from the example below is making the Headline & secret shared specific for the keyword they clicked.  Obviously, from my poor conversion rate, I am not doing a great job with my landing page copy.  I welcome any critique and suggestion and will gladly implement and report the results.   

I have made the formatting look exactly as it does on the landing page.  Markus, after reading through it, I don't think I would consider it to follow the structured format you mentioned.  What do you think?


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Remember, to lose just 1 pound of fat takes burning 3500 more calories than you consume. So, multiply 3500 times the number of pounds you want to lose and imagine having to eat that many fewer calories to lose the weight. Talk about being hungry all the time.

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All the best,

Benjamin


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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2007, 04:30:31 AM »

Why do you guys worry about add performance and landing page designs instead of kloak and redirect the visitor direct to the advertisers product page? You'll cut a link out of the chain that way.
Unless of course your site isn't built for affiliate adds only....
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2007, 06:11:48 AM »

When you pass to an advertiser direct you miss out on the chance of capturing their email adress or getting different stats and stuff.
Also you pass the referrer to the merchant so if they are smart they will have an seo reverse engineering the affiliate stats and competing for the most profitable keywords the affiates have found for them.
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